The Atlantic contributing writer Ian Bogost sat down with the senior editor Chris Suellentrop to discuss Bogost’s new book, The Small Stuff: How to Lead a More Gratifying Life. Bogost argues that machines, technology, and other modern conveniences have contributed to a growing sense of societal disconnection and dissatisfaction. Bogost and Suellentrop’s candid conversation explores how to identify and appreciate the small, often overlooked joys in doing everyday tasks.

The Small Stuff is available wherever books are sold.